DATE: Wednesday 8th August 2007
VENUE: Main office HUMA - basement
TIME: 10.00 am
ATTENDANCE
Francisco Domingo Frutos (Administrator)
Emil J. Böttcher (Translator)
Sandra Miller
Wendy Slade (Minutes)
Roger Jay
Chris Gatenby
Malcolm Haughton
Martin Heppell
Karl-Heinz Schlömer
APOLOGIES:
Frank van Son (President)
Andrew Heaney (Vice Chairperson)
Rick Wilmot
Dave Dennis
Jack Taylor
Terry Chapman
This meeting was called by Sandra Miller because she had some major concerns and would also speak to Frank personally when he returned.
One of the concerns is that a lot of things will be happening on the Country Club between now and the next AGM meeting. Sandra said that although a lot of discussions have taken place at these meetings, the community are still not being told and are not aware of what is going on. I know that some people have had some feed back, some people are happy and some are not. I feel that we need to call a public meeting about what has been happening since our first meeting on 9th July 2007.
Karl-Heinz agreed with Sandra that people do not know, they are asking all sorts of questions especially about the gardeners. What is happening?
Sandra said this is the reason why she wanted to call such a meeting. Sandra asked if we would all agree to call a public meeting and do what we know is right to enlighten everyone as to what is happening. Sandra stated that we could hold a meeting on the paseo (to inform everyone about the various issues regarding for instance gardening). She stated that we needed to think about those who are not aware of what this group has been discussing. She said it was unfortunate that the President and Vice Chairman were unable to attend today, but believed that a public meeting would be the right thing to do, before September.
Emil spoke to Paco the Administrator and they talked about the urge of informing everyone by the already planned but still not available internet-site of the Administrator/Community. So they put this forward to the group (Emil presented a printed document of the proposed website).
Paco - What was needed was a most neutral way to inform all owners in the same way and not by different internet-sites who are continuously misinterpreted.
Emil then translated the situation to Karl-Heinz about what we were talking about.
Paco said he had a talk with Frank about what he thought we should be doing. Paco said he will speak to Frank again and also ask him to revise his website.
Paco stated that we have not called today’s meeting because we are against Frank, but to express our internal feelings; it’s all about information and communication and we should talk when we need to. Emil said that they as Administrator are a neutral party and we can express our feelings to them. That’s what they’re for.
Malcolm asked who would maintain this website and what are the costs involved. Emil said that he would be in charge of this website and yes there would be some minor costs involved. He then went on to translate this to Karl-Heinz.
Karl-Heinz then stated he could not find any information about Mazarrón Country Club anywhere on the internet. Terry asked if we meanwhile wanted to have a condensed version of the minutes put on this website for everyone to read. And what about those who do not have access to the website?
Sandra suggested to make several printouts for people to read.
Once again Sandra stated that a number of people had raised concerns about decisions being made without consulting the public. That was the reason why this meeting was called. We need to be transparent and open. There has been a lot of talk and I think by holding a public meeting this would be beneficial to everyone including Frank.
Chris stated that he disagreed and said that he did not think we need to hold a meeting in German, Dutch or English because everyone will be informed at the public meeting scheduled towards the end of September.
Roger said that he agreed with Chris on this matter. He also stated that he thought we didn’t even have any right to call today's meeting.
Sandra said that she did not have any problems with holding a public meeting before September. She stated that everyone had a right to know what was going on prior to the new company commencing. Once again she said it's unfortunate that Frank and Andrew were not able to attend.
Emil said that holding a public meeting now, would be interpreted as panic, while this is not the case.
Malcolm stated that we would need to find somewhere to hold a meeting and it would cost too much, it’s high season. Also what if we had a poor turn out. It’s all for nothing.
Emil said that he also was quite disappointed with the last AGM. He went on to say that there was too much of only criticising and therefore it was a very poor meeting.
Martin said that the people he spoke to asked him to let them know what was happening. Malcolm said that he had not attended many meetings that we have held but surely we are here to let others know what is happening. Who wants to be informed will ask any of the representatives.
Sandra said that she felt we should let everyone know in advance what is happening.
Malcolm suggested to vote on this issue and then we will know everyone's feelings.
Wendy stated that she understood where Sandra was coming from, there is a lot of unrest on the urbanisation with regards to what's going on.
Emil said that he’s running out of time, has to go to another appointment and will discuss our needs with Paco. Roger stated that even though Andrew is Vice President, only Frank and Paco are the ones who were elected.
The Administrator said he foresees some problems about if we will reach enough people. There would not be enough time to organise a meeting, we’d better leave this issue until after the holidays.
Emil suggested we could hold an information evening for everyone to attend where discussions can take place, but tell people in advance you will do so for example every 3 months, so they know it. He said: “Do what you say and say what you do.”
Malcolm asked again if everyone was in favour of a public meeting and the majority agreed not to hold one.
Emil suggested that we set a date to hold an information evening in September. Paco asked if we all agreed with the MCC Internet and could he go ahead and add a list of the Representatives names to it. Everyone agreed.
Emil said that when the website is updated, all new items would appear at the top of the page. Emil asked if our names could be added to any private matters that may arise (all agreed, they could be).
Martin stated that Emil made a comment about holding an information meeting soon and that we need to arrange a date for this. He said that he was in contact with Norwegian owners and that they will be returning to the Country Club the last week in September and thought that it would be a good idea to hold a meeting then.
Emil said that we will leave it to that, we will not have a ‘panic’ meeting in August, but let everybody enjoy their holidays. I would like to close this meeting with a date for the next meeting.
NEXT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR
Friday 7th September at 10.00 am.